Wednesday, June 4, 2008

Obama

As I have said in a previous post, Barack Obama scares the daylights out of me. The people that have surrounded him in the past, and the comments of his wife convince me that he is not fit for the office that he seeks.

Check out this video:

Warning: This "preacher" uses one swear word in his "sermon."

Something about this clip really bothers me. The people in the congregation stand and shout somewhat like the CHM does. And, yet, their shouting and hand waving are in response to politics, not salvation, or any thing at all to do with Christianity. We saw this also in the clip from this church from former Pastor Wright.

It seems that liberal politics became this church's religion.

And the reason this is important is because Obama sat in this mess for 20 years. His protestations of late about this, and even his recent pulling of his membership from this "church" seem to be much too little, much too late.

Now, this Pfleger is yet another preacher that Obama has listed as a "mentor." This guy, along with Jerry Wright.

The Dems who are in favor of this guy love to point out that he is a professing Christian. But, do some research into the Church of Christ, and see what they promote. They promote most of what we conservative Christians stand against.

Why are the Dems falling at this guys feet? I just do not get it.

5 comments:

Unknown said...

I am going to try to make this short. . .

1.) I find the fear of Michelle Obama somewhat confusing. . .

2.) I actually find some interesting connections as far as the framwork of what is opposed here, yet coming (generally)from the same people utilizing similar frawework. . . (I am speaking of framework here and not the actual substance in every case)

Obama's former church is accused of too much collectivism. I have been voicing my concern about the individualism in the churches more aligned with the right.

Obama's former church is accused of being too political. . .I oppose the alliance of religion and politics on the right. Or to be more direct. . . the inferred belief that "God is a Republican" and the way "Republican Christianity" has almost became its own religion and others need not apply.

Obama's former church is accused of overt racism. . . I have continued to oppose what I see as the churches avoidance and denial of that very issue.

Obama's former church is blasted for language (overt). . . I have deep concerns about the subtle message and words coming from pulpits on from many churches more aligned with the right. (Many times covert)

Many oppose Obama's church for the sensationalism of what can be pointed to that is highly visible. (or "Written") I oppose the undercurrents within the church that aren't as visible. ("Unwritten" and easier to deny)

In some ways Obama's church is criticized for the way they apply the gospel in very real ways within the community. . . . My concern with much of the church is that these applications are not being made.

I see here both sides of an extreme. . .I obviously am more concerned about the extremes I see from the larger church as a whole, but I'm not convinced that both sides haven't "lost their balance" and "lost their focus".

John Myers said...

I am confused as to what you have against individualism.

As to the greater content of your post, it does seem that you have far more of a struggle with the percieved extreems on the right than the obvious extreemes on the left, specifically those of the Trinity UCC.

Unknown said...

But what it being covered isn't a dividing line equally splitting left and right.

I would also note that your comment largely exemplifies what I am noting. . . namely "obvious extremes of the left" and "perceived extremes on the right". Again, it is the "written vs. the unwritten" with that which isn't so sensational and overt largely ignored and denied. I would submit, that which isn't recognized and largely ignored, can be far more dangerous and damaging.

I would also note that what I am talking about isn't solely a "perception" in the sense of no foundation, but rather the result of a tremendous amount of study, discussion and life experience.

I will use this as a rough example. (And I'm not saying the churches in question match this perfectly, but highlighting a larger point). Church A has a concrete ban on certain words. The members hold very closely to that ban. Church B doesn't have that ban, and occasionally banned words are spoken. Church A looks very critically at the obvious lack of spirituality of the Church B. Truth be told however, Church A has a terrible gossiping problem and many negative and non-uplifting words are spoken. Church B on the other hand recognizes the deeper issue and is focused on this issue.

On one side you have a black/white list. . .easy to follow. . .easy to judge. . . on the other hand you have an endless supply of potential justifications, grey areas and ability to muddy the water. . . It's not like a banned word has been spoken.

Again, this is a rough example and I think most churches are probably a mix of the two if there is weakness present.

As to individualism. . .I think the gospel is highly social and also highly personal. I think American individualism has largely caused the Church to view the gospel through an American lens. . .

John Myers said...

The problem I have with the Left's views of individualism is that they have inadvertantly done away with any individual responsability.

Don't want to work? No problem, here's a welfare check.

Unknown said...

1.) I don't think it is quite that simple.

2.) While I understand your concern, I think this thought has largely been attached in error to "the left". I consider myself part of "the left" and absolutely believe in personal responsibility. It just seems that any desire for a social program creates very predictable responses.

3.) I think what is fundamentally misunderstood is that personal responsibility is not just limited to "poverty", but also relates to "collective personal" decisions that people make in exploiting those "less advantaged". It's almost as it when you have money personal responsibility is no longer an issue.

4.) I've said it on MyHoliness before. . . I don't want to see "wealth divided by population", but rather an environment where impediments don't exist. (Or obviously a push in that direction as this is somewhat idealized) I think it is this underlying desire from "the left" that many ignore or simply don't get.

Obviously varying degrees of wealth are going to occur, but you would have an almost impossible time convincing me that the massive income disparity in our world is all related to personal merit.